In what country do police have the authority to take a child from parents' custody based on the recommendation of a rabbi without consulting the medical team?
My guess is that the rabbis planned to direct the police to the medical team who had until now remained quiet. Alternatively, perhaps there was no medical team yet - perhaps the family had just received the diagnosis but hadn't yet hooked up with the oncology team.
The facts on the ground are probably complex (and this is certainly not an area of my expertise). For instance, I'm not sure whether the family doctor who triggered the diagnosis has any legal responsibility/authority - or whether he'd even be a mandated reporter in such a case. If the events took place in the U.S., it's unlikely that the family would have already formally contracted with a provider.
So I guess it's possible that there was no "medical team" for the rabbis to contact. But that doesn't mean that power and responsibility automatically shift to their shoulders.
It's definitely something I personally would want to discuss with an experienced and aware talmid chacham if, c"v, I was faced with something like this. But I don't believe rabbis have the authority to *impose themselves* on families.
Since you write without a lot of details, the ensuing discussion is more theoretical rather than practical. At that, it would seem to me that if the parents are pursuing alternative/natural treatments, then there would not be coherent right for the Rabbonim - as the parents are either doing correct hishtadlus if we conceded that alternative meds can work, or are genuinely relying on bitachon, seeing as they made a sober decision, and can rely on a 'miracle' even if the medicine lacks evidentiary efficacy.
Be that as it may, you correctly point out that the medical establishment has lost their 'ne'emanus' with their actions over the corona years, and those still unswearvingly trsuting them may well have fallen for 'kochi veotzem yodi'.
I have no idea. I don't even know where these events are taking place. A friend who is involved in the story told me what I do know, and I don't really want to find out more.
It's bizarre that you would share something like this publicly and opine on it, yet profess no interest in finding out more.
There is a lot wrong with chemo, and informed parents have every right to refuse such a treatment. The rabbis are literal mosrim and should be identified.
The thing is that, since I'm not directly involved, I can't be sure that I even have the facts right. So naming and shaming would obviously be a big mistake even if I did happen to know a few more details. But I feel that it is important to discuss the underlying issues that, in theory, could one impact any of us.
The underlying issues are that the rabbis in such a scenario are literally mosrim, there is a great deal wrong with chemo, "modern medicine" is not some gospel that everyone must blindly follow, and the parents were well within their rights. No one should be molesting them.
I am a bit perplexed.
In what country do police have the authority to take a child from parents' custody based on the recommendation of a rabbi without consulting the medical team?
My guess is that the rabbis planned to direct the police to the medical team who had until now remained quiet. Alternatively, perhaps there was no medical team yet - perhaps the family had just received the diagnosis but hadn't yet hooked up with the oncology team.
But, as I wrote, I really don't know the details.
I figured it was something like that.
Does the medical team have any authority if the child isn't yet hooked up with the oncology team.? Do they always use that authority?
Just wondering on what you based your question that the rabbis should have just left it to the medical team to deal with.
The facts on the ground are probably complex (and this is certainly not an area of my expertise). For instance, I'm not sure whether the family doctor who triggered the diagnosis has any legal responsibility/authority - or whether he'd even be a mandated reporter in such a case. If the events took place in the U.S., it's unlikely that the family would have already formally contracted with a provider.
So I guess it's possible that there was no "medical team" for the rabbis to contact. But that doesn't mean that power and responsibility automatically shift to their shoulders.
>That doesn't mean that power and responsibility automatically shift to their shoulders.
Perhaps that is a question for a rabbi?
> Perhaps that is a question for a rabbi?
It's definitely something I personally would want to discuss with an experienced and aware talmid chacham if, c"v, I was faced with something like this. But I don't believe rabbis have the authority to *impose themselves* on families.
Since you write without a lot of details, the ensuing discussion is more theoretical rather than practical. At that, it would seem to me that if the parents are pursuing alternative/natural treatments, then there would not be coherent right for the Rabbonim - as the parents are either doing correct hishtadlus if we conceded that alternative meds can work, or are genuinely relying on bitachon, seeing as they made a sober decision, and can rely on a 'miracle' even if the medicine lacks evidentiary efficacy.
Be that as it may, you correctly point out that the medical establishment has lost their 'ne'emanus' with their actions over the corona years, and those still unswearvingly trsuting them may well have fallen for 'kochi veotzem yodi'.
These "rabbis" are literally mosrim. What are their names?
I have no idea. I don't even know where these events are taking place. A friend who is involved in the story told me what I do know, and I don't really want to find out more.
It's bizarre that you would share something like this publicly and opine on it, yet profess no interest in finding out more.
There is a lot wrong with chemo, and informed parents have every right to refuse such a treatment. The rabbis are literal mosrim and should be identified.
The thing is that, since I'm not directly involved, I can't be sure that I even have the facts right. So naming and shaming would obviously be a big mistake even if I did happen to know a few more details. But I feel that it is important to discuss the underlying issues that, in theory, could one impact any of us.
The underlying issues are that the rabbis in such a scenario are literally mosrim, there is a great deal wrong with chemo, "modern medicine" is not some gospel that everyone must blindly follow, and the parents were well within their rights. No one should be molesting them.