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Tzvi Goldstein's avatar

It seems like your quote from Rav Hirsch undermines the main point of your article. Your point seems to be, this content is flawed in its origin and has very little meaningful ideas to teach. Rav Hirsch is saying that such ideas do have merit but only when understood properly; problems begin when they are misunderstood and taken as mechanistic instead of symbolic. In other words, you and rav hirsch end up in similar places - rejecting the importance of modern kabbalah - but for very different reasons.

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Debating whether Rabbi Chaim Vital wrote Toras Emes or apikorsis is way above my paygrade so I won't touch that topic. What I can do is offer with relative certainty what Vital's kabbalistic writings weren't. They weren't ramblings of someone suffering from dementia, they weren't written during a psychotic episode, and they weren't a result of hallucinations.

Let's start with dementia. Vital stopped editing his kabbalistic works, I believe, when he was only 62 years old, long before dementia typically begins. He lived for another 16 years without showing any signs of cognitive decline. Dementia is a degenerative descent that people recognize. We all saw that with Joe Biden. Surely, if Vital suffered from that, people would've noticed and had him resign as a dayan. However, that never happened. He remained a respected dayan and community leader, I think, until he passed away.

Next, psychosis. True clinical psychosis is characterized by cognitive disintegration, and disorganized thought and speech. Etz Chaim is the exact opposite. Whatever it is, kosher or otherwise, Eitz Chaim is not simple. It is almost an encyclopedia of metaphysics or advanced cosmic calculus. A mind undergoing a psychotic break I believe is incapable of producing that level of complexities.

Finally, hallucinations. The ultimate proof that Vital was in complete control of his faculties is that he quarantined his actual hallucinations (induced by sleep, food, and social deprivation) inside a separate personal diary called Sefer HaChezionos, while keeping his kabbalistic writings strictly isolated inside Etz Chaim. He kept those two separated like basar v'chalav. Someone lacking mental control would lump those together into one big book of teyruvos, not create a great wall of separation between kabbalah and personal visions.

You wrote that Eitz Chaim requires "external references with which readers are expected to be familiar", but later you concluded that a lack of obvious logic equals a "hallucinogenic flavor." If I'm understanding you correctly, and please correct me if I am not, you're saying that when I am not familiar with a topic, my lack of understanding dictates that therefore the topic must somehow be hallucinogenic. If that is what you mean, I would respectfully disagree and conclude that my lack of understanding might say more about me than it does about the topic I don't understand. Let me illustrate my point.

L'havdil, consider Freddie Mercury's lyrics: "Water babies singing in a lily pool delight, blue powder monkeys praying in the dead of night." L'choyrah, a casual reader might conclude Mercury was tripping on psychedelics when he wrote those bizarre lines. But he wasn't. That imagery of "water babies" was lifted directly from Charles Kingsley's classic 1863 Victorian children's book, while "powder monkeys" was naval slang for boys carrying gunpowder on 18th-century warships.

The point is, writing style doesn't prove hallucination. Just as Mercury used his sober intellect to stitch together historical and literary references, so too Vital plausibly used his Talmudic training to map out complex cosmic stuff. Just because the connection between "11 incense ingredients" and "the kings of Edom" reads like a hallucination to an outsider, such as myself, doesn't mean it didn't make perfect sense to men that cross-referenced them. I'm ignorant of powder monkeys and 11 herbs and spices. I can conclude that the writers were flying on drugs, or I can do a deep dive into those references to learn what they actually mean.

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